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Newsgroups: alt.fan.dune,alt.answers,news.answers Path: bloom-beacon.mit.edu!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!siemens!princeton!flagstaff.princeton.edu!cgilmore From: cgilmore@phoenix.princeton.edu Subject: alt.fan.dune Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Message-ID: <mine_786737272@phoenix.princeton.edu> Followup-To: alt.fan.dune Summary: A periodic posting of frequently asked questions about alt.fan.dune, _Dune_, and related matters. Originator: news@hedgehog.Princeton.EDU Keywords: faq introduction intro Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Supersedes: <mine_785486510@phoenix.princeton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: flagstaff.princeton.edu Reply-To: cgilmore@phoenix.princeton.edu Organization: House Major Moritani, Grumman Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:43:56 GMT Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.EDU Expires: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 18:07:52 GMT Lines: 485 Xref: bloom-beacon.mit.edu alt.fan.dune:2879 alt.answers:6081 news.answers:30712 Archive-name: sf/dune-faq Last-modified: 1994/11/21 The alt.fan.dune FAQ Table of Contents 1. General questions 1.1 What is Dune? 1.2 What is alt.fan.dune? 1.3 What is appropriate subject material for alt.fan.dune? 1.4 What other resources are on the Internet about Dune? 2. Questions about written materials on Dune 2.1 What books are in the _Dune_ series? 2.2 What other books about Dune have been published? 2.3 Who/what are Marty and Daniel from the end of _Chapterhouse: Dune_? 2.4 Are there any comics and illustrated books about Dune? 3. The Movie(s) 3.1 What is the movie _Dune_? 3.2 Is there more than one version of the movie? 4. Questions about the game(s) 4.1 What MUSHes are there with a Dune theme? 4.2 How do I make these MUSHes look right on my screen? 4.3 Are there any PC games about Dune? 4.4 Are there any board games about Dune? 5. Questions about sound recordings relating to Dune 5.1 Are there any sound recordings relating to Dune? 5.2 How do I get the movie soundtrack? This FAQ is also posted to news.answers and alt.answers. Inquiries/suggestions/corrections can be mailed to: cgilmore@princeton.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Recent CHANGES: 10/14/94: Section 1.2, slight revision 10/14/94: Heading 4, completely revised sections 10/14/94: Sections 1.4 and 4.4, complete removal of Dune LPmud 10/14/94: Section 5.1, addition of new title 11/20/94: Section 1.4, addition of new ftp and web sites 11/20/94: Section 4.1.2, change of information 11/21/94: Section 1.4, removal of out-of-date ftp and web sites -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 1. General Questions --------------------------------------------- 1.1 What is Dune? _Dune_ is the first of a series of science fiction books by Frank Herbert. --------------------------------------------- 1.2 What is alt.fan.dune? Alt.fan.dune is a newsgroup for postings relating to Frank Herbert's _Dune_ series or any of its adaptations, including the movie _Dune_ and the on-line MUSH simulations in the Dune universe. The group will provide a forum for fans of Herbert's work to communicate, and for dissemination of MUSH announcements and plot information. --------------------------------------------- 1.3 What is appropriate subject material for alt.fan.dune? Any discussion of anything related to Herbert's _Dune_ series is probably appropriate. Please take advantage of keywords: use the keyword "movie" for discussion about the movie, "book" for discussion of the books, "mush" for discussion of subjects related to the MUSHes, "game" for discussion of the game, etc. Discussions about general MUSH issues should be directed to the rec.games.mud.* hierarchy, most likely rec.games.mud.tiny. --------------------------------------------- 1.4 What other resources are on the Internet about Dune? ----------------------------- 1.4.1 FTP sites alt.fan.dune FAQ archive: nctuccca.edu.tw, /USENET/FAQ/alt/fan/dune DuneII archive: gardenia.berkeley.edu, /pub/Dune2 tinyfugue archive: glia.biostr.washington.edu, /pub/tinyfugue ----------------------------- 1.4.2 World Wide Web sites Dune URL: http://www.princeton.edu/~cgilmore/dune/dune.html 7th Dune Book URL: http://www_is.cs.utwente.nl:8080/faase/D7/main.html DuneMUSH II URL: http://www.princeton.edu/~cgilmore/dune/mush/ Dune .wav samples URL: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~atkin901/dunewav.html ----------------------------- 1.4.3 Online games sites DuneMUSH II: gardenia.berkeley.edu 4201 HereticsMUSH: horus.mch.sni.de 4201 RevenantMUSH: mulberry.wustl.edu 4201 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2. Questions about the books Anyone with information about the references listed here (or others!) is welcome to submit a brief review or synopsis of the material to cgilmore@princeton.edu for inclusion in this introduction. --------------------------------------------- 2.1 What books are in the _Dune_ Series? ----------------------------- 2.1.1 _Dune_, Frank Herbert (New York: Berkley Pub., 1987, c1965). ----------------------------- 2.1.2 _Dune Messiah_, Frank Herbert (New York: Berkley Pub., 1987, c1969). ----------------------------- 2.1.3 _Children of Dune_, Frank Herbert (New York: Berkley Pub., 1987, c1976). ----------------------------- 2.1.4 _God Emperor of Dune_, Frank Herbert (New York: Berkley Pub., 1987, c1981). ----------------------------- 2.1.5 _Heretics of Dune_, Frank Herbert (New York: Berkley Pub., 1986). ----------------------------- 2.1.6 _Chapterhouse: Dune_, Frank Herbert (New York: Berkley Pub., 1987, c1985). --------------------------------------------- 2.2 What other books about Dune have been published? ----------------------------- 2.2.1 _Songs of Muad'Dib: poems and songs from Frank Herbert's Dune series and his other writings_, edited by Brian Herbert. (New York: Ace, 1992). ----------------------------- 2.2.2 _The Dune Encyclopedia_, compiled by Willis E. McNelly (New York: Berkley Books, c1984), is a comprehensive, authorized encyclo- pedia spanning the _Dune_ series up to book 4, and including little-known information and nice drawings. It's written from a post-Scattering perspective. ----------------------------- 2.2.3 _The Notebooks of Frank Herbert's Dune_, edited by Brian Herbert (New York: Perigee Books, c1988). ----------------------------- 2.2.4 _The Maker of Dune: insights of a master of science fiction_, by Frank Herbert, edited by Tim O'Reilly (New York: Berkley Books, 1987). ----------------------------- 2.2.5 _The Making of Dune_, by Ed Naha. (New York: Berkley Books, 1984), is one is about the making of the movie. ----------------------------- 2.2.6 _Eye_, Frank Herbert (New York: Berkley Pub., 1985), contains short stories from throughout Mr. Herbert's career. Notable is the story, "The Road to Dune," written in 1985. --------------------------------------------- 2.3 Who/what are Marty and Daniel, who appear at the end of _Chapterhouse: Dune_? From: ronaldr@microsoft.com (Ron Rosul) They are face dancers, advanced beyond Tleilaxu control. Good chance they were, or had the abilities of a Kwisatz Haderach (remember the Tleilaxu had developed their own KH long ago). It was also implied that they had greater control over their past-lives than the Bene Gesserit or the Tleilaxu Masters. From: P.K.Clark@massey.ac.nz (Paul Clark) The HM were running from a new breed of face dancers created by the Tleilaxu. The face dancers became independent and fought off the HM using biological warfare, which would not affect them since they could easily engineer themselves to be immune. Duncan was created from information bought back from the scattered Tleilaxu. This is how he gained a lot of special powers. The face dancers at the end had the same or similar powers as Duncan. They were, however, able to understand and use these powers whereas Duncan just floundered through without knowing what he was actually doing. Marty and Daniel could in some respects, the extent of their powers is unclear, have control of what happened in their field of vision, which was a relatively large hunk of the universe. Duncan escaped from their field of vision and thus came outside of their control. From: cjclark@athena.mit.edu (Crist J Clark) Literally, we know they are Face Dancers. We know they make reference to what happens when you collect enough personas. We know the same thing is happening to Duncan (although they say he's stretched out pretty thin). We know they can see into the no-ship (they go beyond Paul or Leto's prescience). But we also see Duncan and crew escape them by cutting all ties with their origins. Another interpretation of the Face Dancers which can accompany any literal interpretation, is that they are Herbert and his wife. Herbert looks on somewhat indifferently and benevolently, interested but with other things in his life. In the end, he lets (so Marty accuses) Duncan and his band escape, which is what Herbert may have done, realizing this very well might be the last book of the series. He gives a few characters the means to escape with unlimited possibilities free from his powers. --------------------------------------------- 2.4 Are there any comics illustrated books about Dune? ----------------------------- 2.4.1 _The Illustrated Dune_ by Frank Herbert, illustrations by John Schoenherr (New York: Berkley Pub., 1978, c1965). ----------------------------- 2.4.2 The official Marvel Comics adaption of Dune, adapted by Ralph Macchio, art by Bill Sienkiewicz (New York: Marvel Comics Group: distributed by Berkley, 1984). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3. Questions about the movie(s) --------------------------------------------- 3.1 What is the movie _Dune_? _Dune_ was made into a movie of the same title, and is available on video. The movie was directed by David Lynch (of Twin Peaks and Eraserhead fame), produced by Dino di Laurentis, and starred: Kyle MacLachlan (Paul Muad'Dib), Jurgen Prochnow (Leto), Sean Young (Chani), Francesca Annis (Jessica), Dean Stockwell (Dr. Yueh), Virginia Madsen (Irulan), Patrick Stewart (Gurney), Jose Ferrar (Shaddam IV), Sting (Feyd Rautha), Max von Sydow (Liet-Kynes), and Linda Hunt (Shadout Mapes). The clothes the Fremen wear were designed by Jean-Gir. --------------------------------------------- 3.2 Is there more than one version of the movie? Yes. There are actually 3 versions of the movie. ----------------------------- 3.2.1 _Dune_ had its theatrical release in 1984. Its length is about 2 hours and 30 minutes. It has also been shown on the Sci-Fi channel. ----------------------------- 3.2.2 The video release version contains fewer scenes than the original, but makes a bit more sense for the non-reader of _Dune_. It is 2 hours and 17 minutes long. ----------------------------- 3.2.3 The version which is commonly shown on television contains some scenes which were not in the movie. It is not on video cassette. It is 4 hours long with commercials. This version contains certain scenes that the director, David Lynch, wanted cut, such as a scene of Gurney playing the baliset, and a voiceover introducing some of the characters. Lynch petitioned the Director's Guild to have his name removed from the credits of this version. The generic 'Alan Smithee' appears in his place. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 4. Questions about the game(s) --------------------------------------------- 4.1 What MUSHes are there with a Dune theme? There are currently three MUSHes that are either open or will be opening soon. See section 1.4 for game locations. ----------------------------- 4.1.1 DuneMUSH II takes place during the reign of the Padishah Emporer Shaddam IV. Its starting date is 10,181, 10 years before the ascension of Muad'Dib. The game is based upon factional role-play centered on Kaitain, the Imperial seat. The emphasis of rule-based play the integration of an macro economy and the elimination of a micro economy are some of the interesting features of this MUSH. ----------------------------- 4.1.2 HereticsMUSH takes place after the conclusion of _Heretics of Dune_. The game is also based upon factional role-play. HereticsMUSH is currently looking for a new site. Please contact nparis@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu or crabtree@mighty.riv.edu if you can host this MUSH. ----------------------------- 4.1.3 RevenantMUSH takes place 1,000 years after _Chapterhouse: Dune_, the concluding novel of the series. For information about multi-user games in general, readers are directed to the rec.games.mud.* hierarchy. --------------------------------------------- 4.2 How do I make these MUSHes look right on my screen? How to set your system up so that a MUSH looks reasonable can be a tricky puzzle, and because there are so many different configurations, I'll just give some quick tips: 1. If you use a terminal program to dial an Internet account, emulate a vt100 if at all possible. You may have to play with your screen-wrap setting, as well. You'll know if you need it. Screen-wrap can also be controlled within some telnet's. 2. Be sure your terminal setting matches your terminal. :) 3. If you're using telnet, you'll find that other players' typing interferes with your typing, causing some strangeness on the screen. This is inevitable, and unfortunate. The only solution is a client program (see below) The easiest way to defeat all screen problems is to compile a MUSH client program to use instead of telnet. The tinyfugue client is available by anon-ftp from glia.biostr.washington.edu, /pub/tinyfugue. For more information about clients, read the MUD FAQ in rec.games.mud.announce. --------------------------------------------- 4.3 Are there any PC games about Dune? There are two readily available games for personal computers based on _Dune_: Dune I and Dune II. ----------------------------- 4.3.1 Dune I Dune I is a graphic adventure game based on both the book and the movie, in which players take the role of Paul. Here's a review: From: erwin@xirion.nl (Erwin Dondorp) Dune I is a far better game than Dune II. It features photo like graphics (not from the film) of all Dune characters, and orni's, spice miners, worms, etc. Your job is to search for all the sietches, train the found Fremen for spice mining, fighting or crop growing. (only one specialty at a time!), the Fremen can be ordered to spy (look for enemy castles) and attack them. They can be send to find weapons, mining vehicles, bulbs, orni's which makes their work more efficient. It is a typical simulation game. It is available on disk and CD. And seen from the package I think that the CD version has even more built in graphics. Dune I is published by Virgin Games. ----------------------------- 4.3.2 Dune II In Dune II, the players try to take control of Arrakis, fend off attacks from other Houses, and mine spice. The game is similar in feel to "Civilization" in some ways; much time is devoted to increasing spice production capacity so you can afford to expand your Arrakis base with radar installations, weapons facilities, etc. Dune II is published by Westwood Studios, distributed by Virgin Games. Dune II: The Battle for Arrakis - Official FAQ by S.E.Pollitt is available by e-mail from sepollit@teaching.cs.adelaide.edu.au or by anonymous ftp from ftp.uwp.edu:/pub/msdos/games/romulus/hints. --------------------------------------------- 4.4 Are there any board games about Dune? ----------------------------- 4.4.1 Avalon Hill Avalon Hill once made a board game called "Dune", which has since gone out of print in English (though a French language edition is still floating around), but old copies can sometimes still be found. It is reportedly quite enjoyable. LINDERT@SARA.NL (Rick te Lindert) writes: Well, I own a French version, and it has a 1992 copyright. So my assumption is that it is new, and that there used to be no French version before '92. The French game company is called Jeux Descartes, and its full address is: 1, rue du Colonel Pierre Avia 75503 Paris Cedex 15 Noteworthy is the fact that the French version contains both modules (Duel and Spice Harvest) that were separately issued for the original Avalon Hill version. ----------------------------- 4.4.2 Parker Bros. Parker Bros. also released a Dune game. htonight!saint@galaxy.ucr.edu (Dean St.Antoine) writes: Dune Adventure game - by Parker Brothers (C)1984 ================================================ Object: To eliminate all enemy characters and be the only player to have at least one character remaining at the end of the game. Use your Spice, Harvesters, Kanly cards, and Equipment cards to assist you in reaching this ultimate role. The game board represents the water-starved planet of Dune. The spaces that form the inner circle of the board represent the castle of the rulers of Dune. The spaces surrounding the outer walls of the castle represent the hazardous sand-covered terrain of Dune. Castle Spaces: Space Guild, Smuggler, Traitor, Bene Gesserit, Poison, Spice raid, and Training. Desert spaces: Sietch, Spice, Duel, Worm and Sand Storm. All in all this board game is worth having if you are a true Dune fan. It's a 2 to 4 player game with players playing a 3 character group. 1) Paul Atreides, Gurney Halleck, Duke Leto Atreides. 2) Beast Rabban, Baron Harkonnen, Feyd-Rautha. 3) Sardaukar Warrior, Princess Irulan, Emperor Shaddam IV. 4) Dr. Kynes, Stilgar, Chani. The pieces are quite nice and have each person's picture in the middle. The spice is represented by the plastic pieces used in the game "Risk". The game is based on the motion picture _Dune_. Pick this game up if you find one. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 5. Questions about sound recordings relating to Dune --------------------------------------------- 5.1 Are there any sound recordings relating to Dune? ----------------------------- 5.1.1 "Sandworms of Dune" by Frank Herbert (Caedmon CDL 51565, p1978). 1 2-track mono cassette. ----------------------------- 5.1.2 The soundtrack to the movie was apparently put out by Polydor, Production # 823 770. It has since been re-released in the US by the Collector's Pipeline on compact disc. ISBN 44807-00132 See also section 5.2 for how to get it. ----------------------------- 5.1.3 "Dune - The Banquet Scene" by Frank Herbert. Mono lp. Approx 60 minutes. Read by the author. late 1970's. ----------------------------- 5.1.4 "Battles of Dune" by Frank Herbert. Mono lp, cassette. Approx 60 minutes. Read by the author. Harper Classics. 1979, 1994. ----------------------------- 5.1.5 "God Emperor of Dune" by Frank Herbert. Cassette. Approx 60 minutes. Read by the author. Harper Classics. 1994. ----------------------------- 5.1.6 "Heretics of Dune" by Frank Herbert. Cassette. Approx 60 minutes. Read by the author. Harper Classics. 1994. ----------------------------- 5.1.7 "Exxos - Dune a Spice Opera" by CRYO Interactive. Published by Virgin Records Ltd. Disc contains some songs not in the game (total tracks=13, tracks in game=8, one game song has two versions, the Dune theme). Apparently deleted in July, 1994. Write to: EXXOS: CRYO Interactive, Exxos, 43, Rue de Rich-elieu, 75001, PARIS, FRANCE. --------------------------------------------- 5.2 How can I get the movie soundtrack? The soundtrack is now widely available in the US. Most, if not all, resellers should be able to order the CD if it is not already on the shelves. The distributor is the Collector's Pipeline. From: boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian R. Boisvert) The elusive Dune CD is now available as an import CD from Germany. I got my copy from: Sound Track Album Retailers P.O. Box 487 New Holland, PA 17557 (717) 656-0121 The cost is $20 (but this includes shipping). Give 'em a call, they have plenty of copies. The soundtrack has also been re-released in Canada: Manufactured for PolyGram Records and distributed by PolyGram Distribution, 6000 Cote de Le Liesse, St.Laurent, Quebec HAT 1E3. Divisions of PolyGram Group Canada Inc. It sells for about 16.99$ (Canadian dollars), so they say.